Commit 331e49df authored by Stefan Kangas's avatar Stefan Kangas

Prefer mailing lists to newsgroups in FAQ

* doc/misc/efaq.texi (Real meaning of copyleft)
(Guidelines for mailing list postings, Mailing list archives)
(Packages that do not come with Emacs): Prefer mailing lists to
newsgroups.  (Bug#46633)
parent 7466b103
......@@ -323,8 +323,8 @@ Free Software Foundation, and related organizations.
@menu
* Real meaning of copyleft::
* Guidelines for newsgroup postings::
* Newsgroup archives::
* Guidelines for mailing list postings::
* Mailing list archives::
* Reporting bugs::
* Unsubscribing from Emacs lists::
* Contacting the FSF::
......@@ -343,9 +343,10 @@ There has never been a copyright infringement case involving the GPL to
set any precedents. Although legal actions have been brought against
companies for violating the terms of the GPL, so far all have been
settled out of court (in favor of the plaintiffs). Please take any
discussion regarding this issue to the newsgroup
@uref{news:gnu.misc.discuss}, which was created to hold the extensive
flame wars on the subject.
discussion regarding this issue to
@uref{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss, the
gnu-misc-discuss mailing list}, which was created to hold the
extensive flame wars on the subject.
RMS writes:
......@@ -359,54 +360,60 @@ distribute any version of Emacs or a related program, and give the
recipients the same freedom that you enjoyed.
@end quotation
@node Guidelines for newsgroup postings
@section What are appropriate messages for the various Emacs newsgroups?
@node Guidelines for mailing list postings
@section What are appropriate messages for the various Emacs mailing lists?
@cindex Newsgroups, appropriate messages for
@cindex GNU newsgroups, appropriate messages for
@cindex GNU mailing lists, appropriate messages for
@cindex Usenet groups, appropriate messages for
@cindex Mailing lists, appropriate messages for
@cindex Posting messages to newsgroups
@cindex Posting messages to mailing lists
@cindex GNU mailing lists
The Emacs mailing lists are described at
@uref{https://savannah.gnu.org/mail/?group=emacs, the Emacs Savannah
page}. Some of them are gatewayed to newsgroups.
page}.
The newsgroup @uref{news:comp.emacs} is for discussion of Emacs programs
in general. The newsgroup @uref{news:gnu.emacs.help} is specifically
for GNU Emacs. It therefore makes no sense to cross-post to both
groups, since only one can be appropriate to any question.
Messages advocating ``non-free'' software are considered unacceptable
on any of the GNU mailing lists, except for
@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss, the
gnu-misc-discuss mailing list} which was created to hold the extensive
flame-wars on the subject.
Messages advocating ``non-free'' software are considered unacceptable on
any of the @code{gnu.*} newsgroups except for @uref{news:gnu.misc.discuss},
which was created to hold the extensive flame-wars on the subject.
``Non-free'' software includes any software for which the end user can't
freely modify the source code and exchange enhancements. Be careful to
remove the @code{gnu.*} groups from the @samp{Newsgroups:} line when
posting a followup that recommends such software.
``Non-free'' software includes any software for which the end user
can't freely modify the source code and exchange enhancements. Be
careful to remove any GNU mailing lists from @samp{Cc:} when posting a
reply that recommends such software.
@uref{news:gnu.emacs.bug} is a place where bug reports appear, but avoid
posting bug reports to this newsgroup directly (@pxref{Reporting bugs}).
@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs, The
bug-gnu-emacs list} is a place where bug reports appear, but we
recommend using the commands @kbd{M-x report-emacs-bug} or @kbd{M-x
submit-emacs-patch} if at all possible (@pxref{Reporting bugs}).
Some GNU mailing lists are gatewayed to (Usenet) newsgroups.
For example, sending an email to
@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs, The
bug-gnu-emacs list} has the effect of posting on the newsgroup
@uref{news:gnu.emacs.help}).
Finally, we recommend reading the
@url{https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html, GNU Kind
Communications Guidelines} before posting to any GNU lists or
newsgroups.
@node Newsgroup archives
@section Where can I get old postings to @uref{news:gnu.emacs.help} and other GNU groups?
@cindex Archived postings from @code{gnu.emacs.help}
@cindex Usenet archives for GNU groups
@cindex Old Usenet postings for GNU groups
@node Mailing list archives
@section Where can I read archives for @code{help-gnu-emacs} and other GNU lists?
@cindex Archived postings from @code{help-gnu-emacs}
@cindex Old mailing list posts for GNU lists
@cindex Mailing list archives for GNU lists
The FSF has maintained archives of all of the GNU mailing lists for many
years, although there may be some unintentional gaps in coverage. The
archive can be browsed over the web at
@uref{https://lists.gnu.org/r/, the GNU mail archive}.
Web-based Usenet search services, such as
@uref{https://groups.google.com/groups/dir?q=gnu&, Google}, also
archive the @code{gnu.*} groups.
Some web-based Usenet search services also archive the @code{gnu.*}
newsgroups.
@node Reporting bugs
@section Where should I report bugs and other problems with Emacs?
......@@ -419,39 +426,25 @@ The correct way to report Emacs bugs is to use the command
@kbd{M-x report-emacs-bug}. It sets up a mail buffer with the
essential information and the correct e-mail address,
@email{bug-gnu-emacs@@gnu.org}.
Anything sent there also appears in the
newsgroup @uref{news:gnu.emacs.bug}, but please use e-mail instead of
news to submit the bug report. This ensures a reliable return address
so you can be contacted for further details.
Be sure to read the ``Bugs'' section of the Emacs manual before reporting
a bug! The manual describes in detail how to submit a useful bug
report (@pxref{Bugs, , Reporting Bugs, emacs, The GNU Emacs Manual}).
(@xref{Emacs manual}, if you don't know how to read the manual.)
RMS says:
@quotation
Sending bug reports to
@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs,
the help-gnu-emacs mailing list}
(which has the effect of posting on @uref{news:gnu.emacs.help}) is
undesirable because it takes the time of an unnecessarily large group
of people, most of whom are just users and have no idea how to fix
these problem.
@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs, The
bug-gnu-emacs list} reaches a much smaller group of people who are
@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs, the
help-gnu-emacs mailing list} is undesirable because it takes the time
of an unnecessarily large group of people, most of whom are just users
and have no idea how to fix these
problem. @url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs,
The bug-gnu-emacs list} reaches a much smaller group of people who are
more likely to know what to do and have expressed a wish to receive
more messages about Emacs than the others.
@end quotation
RMS says it is sometimes fine to post to @uref{news:gnu.emacs.help}:
@quotation
If you have reported a bug and you don't hear about a possible fix,
then after a suitable delay (such as a week) it is okay to post on
@code{gnu.emacs.help} asking if anyone can help you.
@end quotation
@code{help-gnu-emacs@@gnu.org} asking if anyone can help you.
If you are unsure whether you have found a bug, consider the following
non-exhaustive list, courtesy of RMS:
......@@ -463,6 +456,11 @@ is a bug. If Lisp code does not do what the documentation says it
does, that is a bug.
@end quotation
Anything sent to @email{bug-gnu-emacs@@gnu.org} also appears in the
newsgroup @uref{news:gnu.emacs.bug}, but please use e-mail instead of
news to submit the bug report. This ensures a reliable return address
so you can be contacted for further details.
@node Unsubscribing from Emacs lists
@section How do I unsubscribe from a mailing list?
@cindex Unsubscribing from GNU mailing lists
......@@ -3531,10 +3529,8 @@ installing any nonfree software, we recommend for your freedom's sake
that you stay away from it.
The @uref{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-emacs-sources,
GNU Emacs sources mailing list}, which is gatewayed to the
@uref{news:gnu.emacs.sources, Emacs sources newsgroup} (although the
connection between the two can be unreliable) is an official place
where people can post or announce their extensions to Emacs.
GNU Emacs sources mailing list} is an official place where people can
post or announce their extensions to Emacs.
The @uref{https://emacswiki.org, Emacs Wiki} contains pointers to some
additional extensions. @uref{https://wikemacs.org, WikEmacs} is an
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